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<title>What you aren&#x27;t hearing about the Rittenhouse Trial</title>
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That it is the biggest missed opportunity for police reform I've seen in my lifetime.
</p><p>
Why?<br>
Because this case was <em>in fact</em> one of the biggest things that the left and right
could have <strong>united</strong> on and reached a <strong>mutually satisfactory</strong> compromise which
led to durable changes regarding the state of policing within the USA.
</p><p>
Instead, what did we see? Knee jerk outgroup hate from both the red and blue tribes
despite it not even serving them to act in this manner. Unfortunately things have
turned out how they usually do -- support for one's faction <em>within the state</em>
regardless of whether this leads to better outcomes or not for those who the
factions pretend to represent.
</p><p>
So, how then could there have been unity on this issue? In figuring this out, one must
challenge the precedent set in the Castle Rock vs. Gonzales decision -- namely that the police
have no obligation to the public at all under the constitution (instead only to
the state who employs them).
</p><p>
<strong>From the left:</strong><br>
The police did <strong>nothing</strong> to try to de-escalate the situation, instead
standing down completely. The police look <em>really</em> shitty here, as it confirms
precisely what people on the left have hammered on the cops for a long time about -- namely that the police
only really have two modes of operation:
<ul>
<li>The boot on your neck (or knee in George Floyd's case)</li>
<li>Utter contempt and disregard for the people's plight.</li>
</ul>
</p><p>
In this case it was the latter in response to the former, which should have been
seen as adding insult to injury and the messaging should have flowed from that.
With this position, the left <em>wouldn't have even needed to have an opinion on the
trial</em>, as they win both ways rhetorically:
<ul>
<li>Kyle is a murderer: "Cop wannabe acts like a cop -- can we be surprised?"</li>
<li>Kyle is not a murderer: "Young man tried to de-escalate the situation but ultimately
  had to take action to protect himself and *the people* from a riot that got
  out of hand. IF ONLY the police had acted more like Kyle and less like the
  uncaring enforcers we know them to be, perhaps this tragedy could have been
  avoided."</li>
</ul></p><p>
<strong>From the right:</strong><br>
The police were derelict in their duties towards protecting the property of
red blooded Americans, and people can't be surprised when WE THE PEOPLE have to
stand up for our constitutional god given rights, even if the consequences were
less than ideal. If you are gonna hate Kyle for doing what he did, then the
bigger crime is what led to these riots becoming out of control in the first
place. Why is the mayor and police not on trial for allowing such a thing to
happen instead of sacrificing someone who was *a minor* at the time to cover
for your own moral cowardice?
</p><p>
<strong>Note the two big themes here</strong>:<br>
<ul>
<li>Pervasive biases around militia obligations of the citizenry, general cowardice</li>
<li>Castle Rock v. Gonzales decision has led to cops being the king's men, not 
  protectors of persons and property</li>
</ul>
</p><p>
Because of these, the police were able to more or less pin their own crimes
and problems on Saint Kyle, using him as a Judas Goat for the death of Saint Floyd.
</p><p>
IF instead we saw the police being obligated under the law to protect persons
and property, then those responsible for killing the same protesters would have
been the police, which would have in fact worked out better for the protesters
*and* the police, as then the case would have been about the role of police in
society, not a murder trial where people's feelings mostly swirl around
whether you identify more with the Crips or the Bloods.
</p><p>
Perhaps then some actual compromises would have had to been reached as a part
of the trial, leading to some actual changes (for better or worse).
</p>]]></description>
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<title>What you aren&#x27;t hearing about the Rittenhouse Trial</title>
<link>http://teodesian.net/rittenhouse</link>
<description><![CDATA[<p>
That it is the biggest missed opportunity for police reform I've seen in my lifetime.
</p><p>
Why?<br>
Because this case was <em>in fact</em> one of the biggest things that the left and right
could have <strong>united</strong> on and reached a <strong>mutually satisfactory</strong> compromise which
led to durable changes regarding the state of policing within the USA.
</p><p>
Instead, what did we see? Knee jerk outgroup hate from both the red and blue tribes
despite it not even serving them to act in this manner. Unfortunately things have
turned out how they usually do -- support for one's faction <em>within the state</em>
regardless of whether this leads to better outcomes or not for those who the
factions pretend to represent.
</p><p>
So, how then could there have been unity on this issue? In figuring this out, one must
challenge the precedent set in the Castle Rock vs. Gonzales decision -- namely that the police
have no obligation to the public at all under the constitution (instead only to
the state who employs them).
</p><p>
<strong>From the left:</strong><br>
The police did <strong>nothing</strong> to try to de-escalate the situation, instead
standing down completely. The police look <em>really</em> shitty here, as it confirms
precisely what people on the left have hammered on the cops for a long time about -- namely that the police
only really have two modes of operation:
<ul>
<li>The boot on your neck (or knee in George Floyd's case)</li>
<li>Utter contempt and disregard for the people's plight.</li>
</ul>
</p><p>
In this case it was the latter in response to the former, which should have been
seen as adding insult to injury and the messaging should have flowed from that.
With this position, the left <em>wouldn't have even needed to have an opinion on the
trial</em>, as they win both ways rhetorically:
<ul>
<li>Kyle is a murderer: "Cop wannabe acts like a cop -- can we be surprised?"</li>
<li>Kyle is not a murderer: "Young man tried to de-escalate the situation but ultimately
  had to take action to protect himself and *the people* from a riot that got
  out of hand. IF ONLY the police had acted more like Kyle and less like the
  uncaring enforcers we know them to be, perhaps this tragedy could have been
  avoided."</li>
</ul></p><p>
<strong>From the right:</strong><br>
The police were derelict in their duties towards protecting the property of
red blooded Americans, and people can't be surprised when WE THE PEOPLE have to
stand up for our constitutional god given rights, even if the consequences were
less than ideal. If you are gonna hate Kyle for doing what he did, then the
bigger crime is what led to these riots becoming out of control in the first
place. Why is the mayor and police not on trial for allowing such a thing to
happen instead of sacrificing someone who was *a minor* at the time to cover
for your own moral cowardice?
</p><p>
<strong>Note the two big themes here</strong>:<br>
<ul>
<li>Pervasive biases around militia obligations of the citizenry, general cowardice</li>
<li>Castle Rock v. Gonzales decision has led to cops being the king's men, not 
  protectors of persons and property</li>
</ul>
</p><p>
Because of these, the police were able to more or less pin their own crimes
and problems on Saint Kyle, using him as a Judas Goat for the death of Saint Floyd.
</p><p>
IF instead we saw the police being obligated under the law to protect persons
and property, then those responsible for killing the same protesters would have
been the police, which would have in fact worked out better for the protesters
*and* the police, as then the case would have been about the role of police in
society, not a murder trial where people's feelings mostly swirl around
whether you identify more with the Crips or the Bloods.
</p><p>
Perhaps then some actual compromises would have had to been reached as a part
of the trial, leading to some actual changes (for better or worse).
</p>]]></description>
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